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Fetch Expectations

PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 12:52 am
by jdavis92
Wondering what your expectations are for fetch.

Anything, anytime, anywhere?

If not, what are your exceptions?

Thanks

Jeff in Flagstaff

Re: Fetch Expectations

PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 11:16 am
by Rick Hall
Taught my first Chessie to flip a Coleman's lid and fetch from it on "cold drink," but that's been our lone parlor trick.

Same dog failed a Finished test by not picking up a sun baked, half-nude pigeon mark he "stepped on" in the early days of HRC, presumably because I've always fussed a dog that messes with carrion. That episode should have driven home the need to train with stinkers before testing, but I thought "deja vu" when my fourth young Chesapeake checked up before picking up a Seasoned test bird that I doubt he would have picked up at all had it been a blind, instead of a mark, then tossed it in the air a couple times on the way in for good measure.

Was sure a stinker had gotten us again and we'd failed that one, too. But one of the judges was local enough to likely know the kind of puppy season the dog just had - or they simply felt sorry for us - and he passed. After which I waited while other club members divvied up the birds for training and took a few of the worst from the "throw-away" pile that remained home to the game freezer for hunt test training.

The up side is, of course, that my guys aren't ever apt to show up with someone's long lost bird in the field unless it's still kicking.

Re: Fetch Expectations

PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 4:25 pm
by Tim Carrion
"Fetch" implies going after something picking it up and returning.
For a puppy:
1) I expect him/her to chase after anything they see that I toss a few feet anywhere most anytime,
2)I hope they will pick it up.
3)I have no expectation of them bringing it back to me.

2 and 3 are to me to teach.

Tim

Re: Fetch Expectations

PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 9:52 pm
by jdavis92
I enjoy reading your posts Rick. Thanks.

More specifically, what are your expectations post force fetch?

Jeff in Flagstaff

Re: Fetch Expectations

PostPosted: Sun May 12, 2019 10:05 pm
by Rick Hall
jdavis92 wrote:I enjoy reading your posts Rick. Thanks.

More specifically, what are your expectations post force fetch?

Jeff in Flagstaff


Oops, that leaves me out. Haven't FFed any of mine.

Re: Fetch Expectations

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 4:47 am
by jdavis92
Rick Hall wrote:
jdavis92 wrote:I enjoy reading your posts Rick. Thanks.

More specifically, what are your expectations post force fetch?

Jeff in Flagstaff


Oops, that leaves me out. Haven't FFed any of mine.


Some might argue I’ve not FFd mine either as I used Bill Hillmann’s technique.

Re: Fetch Expectations

PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2019 10:16 am
by Rick Hall
True. Some still argue that FF isn't FF unless you've managed to pick a fight and win it.

Re: Fetch Expectations

PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 2:04 am
by Sharon Potter
Post-FF...whether the traditional style or Hillmann...means the dog picks up and holds whatever it is asked to, with a quiet mouth, until told to release it.

Re: Fetch Expectations

PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 2:35 pm
by jdavis92
Sharon Potter wrote:Post-FF...whether the traditional style or Hillmann...means the dog picks up and holds whatever it is asked to, with a quiet mouth, until told to release it.


No exceptions?

Re: Fetch Expectations

PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2019 7:23 pm
by Tim Carrion
Nothing is absolute! When training in a controlled environment exceptions are rare but when hunting or competing I have seen dogs blink birds that: landed of yellow jacket nest,ant hills, blown open by shot ("unfit for the table" before the dog ever got there)....There is usually a reason that requires some investigation.


Tim